urdhvaga's Blog

"The Lord says, "It is not necessary that one become very expert in Vedic knowledge before he can become My bhakta, or devotee. Even if one is born in a family of dog-eaters, he can become My devotee and be very dear to Me, in spite of having taken birth in such a family." S.B. 7.15.4

[PADA: Right, all we have to do is have a slight amount of attachment to Krishna and we can be saved. So we should not become morose no matter what happens, Krishna will take care of His sincere devotees. I think Krishna also fully understands how the guru-eaters club has made it diffucult for all of us to be devotees -- and He will grant us mercy even if we cannot follow that well at the moment. So we do not have to be that expert, we simply have to develop some attachment for the Lord. These types of verses are a very nice explanation of how we can feel encouraged at all times. thanks pd]

Dear Svarupa, We ritviks are the only people who organized suing the GBC for the molesting. Not your team. We are the only guys who sued the bogus GBC over changing the books, and we just got a good lawyer in Los Angeles to pursue that issue further. Not your team. We are the only people who published the letters, the will, the poison tapes and so many other missing items.

Ooops, not your team.

We are currently going to counter sue the bogus gurus again in Long Island, not your team. We sued them in India and won, not your team. We are getting favorable expose of the bogus gurus and media attention from these lawsuits, not your team.

We have ritvik devotees in countries all over the world who are all worshiping His Divine Grace as their current diksha guru, not your team. In fact you have never told us who your current diksha guru is or even if he exists at all. For all we know you worship Santa Claus as the current diksha guru.

And we could go on here for ten more pages how your team are simply not getting the job done and we are, and the fact is we are the only people that are getting the job done on the poison issue, not your team. Waiting for you no one would have heard the poison case at all, we got it out all over the world. We did the job, you did not. Not Rocana, not Kundali, not none of you naysayers.

So if you and Rocana and all of your team have a "better interpretation" of the May tapes, lets hear it once and for all. Make your analysis of the May conversations and if it makes sense we might consider it. So far you and Rocana, and Kundali and the whole lot of you are only attacking our analysis, that Srila Prabhupada says that after he departs there will be ritviks giving officiating initiations, exactly as the priest offers the person to Jesus. Similarly: should we ritviks offer the newcomers to someone else and not to Prabhupada, with us acting as ritviks or agents? What is your better proposal?

You never tell us what should be done only what is not to be done, and you never verify any of your stuff with citations. And so we showed you, and Rocana and Kundali and all of you, where he replied to "initiations in the future," we showed you the whole text, and you have not shown us "a better analysis." Meanwhile, waiting for your corrected analysis, we'd all be dead by now.

We ritviks are at least getting thousands of people to worship His Divine Grace all over the planet, I have no idea what your team's plan is at all to be honest. All I know is that the thousands of people we got worshiping Srila Prabhupada are way better off than your idea of sitting around griping and not making converts of Prabhupada worship the way we "bogus ritviks" are doing, at least we are doing something, we are making Prabhupada many new devotees, while your team is doing -- what? Criticizing us for making thousands of devotees of Prabhupada.

That is what you and Rocana and the whole lot of you are doing. And we have the biggest food distribution in India ad infinitum, we are doing things, so you are simply barking at the rising moon of our Prabhupada revival, while it gets bigger all the time anyways despite all you and Rocana and Kundali barking at the moon, it is rising more and more. Thanks pd

* Dear PADA: Upon viewing the former New Dvaraka vyasasana on ebay starting at $20,000 my first thought is that to sell it to a non-devotee or someone who has no appreciation of Srila Prabhupada is such an insult and an offense. Hopefully a devotee will buy it and have the respect and understanding of owning something that Srila Prabhupada oftentimes had sat on. I think it is insulting in a spiritual sort of way to put it up on ebay for anyone to buy.

[PADA: Can anyone tell us what happened here? If this is true, then the only good news is that the bogus GBC is in desperate straights for cash. Thanks pd]

[PADA: This is good news below, people in ISKCON temples are reading our stuff on the internet. We know because people from various temples from all over the world write us and say that they agree. The internet makes it possible for us to invade their temples, tee hee. And it seems to be working, and they know it is working, hence they are getting really upset now: their followers are reading our stuff, watching our videos, going to our http://harekrsna.org and other similar websites etc. and asking embarassing questions.

Good progress, they simply cannot control the internet. For example -- devotees from one temple go to a internet cafe and rent a computer to read our PADA stuff. People are waking up all over the place. We are ALSO making similar good progress -- invading the Tripurari, Govinda, Narayana and Sridhara camps via the net. Clearly these people are being given a bogus version of the history of ISKCON and the Gaudiya Matha. Of course Svarupa thinks we should not bother trying to save these people, he wants us to go back to sleep and promote his Gaudiya Matha idea, no current diksha guru whatsoever. Neine danke. We will procede, and the internet will be the vehicle that makes the best battleground for us. thanks pd]

Signs of the Times BY: MAHAVIDYA DASA (ACBSP)

I received a call late last night. One of many from a member of the Bhaktivedanta Manor community. Apparently, one of ISKCON's leading traveling preachers had issued a warning to his followers, in the temple room at Bhaktivedanta Manor, "Do not believe anything you read/hear on the Internet ". (Like PADA's writing?)

(I wondered if that included any of Srila Prabhupada's lectures.) "They are attacking ISKCON and therefore attacking Srila Prabhupada." (I also wondered who or what the Swami was referring to.) "These people are going to hell." "You are the future of ISKCON." Very interesting! Once again...
I wondered if the said Swami had ever bothered to read/hear what was actually being said. I thought about it.... No doubt the Swami's devoted followers will now be spending time trawling the Internet to find out just what, or who, the Swami is referring to. Of course, this does not tally with Srila Prabhupada's instructions wherein He wanted His followers to be "independently thoughtful people." Neither does it tally with brahminical culture. Now... just why would the Swami be issuing such siksa? Are his followers unable to think for themselves? Are they unable to discriminate? Have they, or are they not being trained to discriminate? If not, then why not? Are they to remain neophytes forever? And crucially… does this suit Guruji's purposes?

The history of ISKCON has repeatedly illustrated the dynamics of "gurus" and their sentimental or fanatical disciples/followers. Should all those Internet contributors be double locking their doors at night? Are we about to witness, once more, events similar to those surrounding Sulocana prabhu?

gettuff2 There were so many mistakes in Prabhupads' original Gita. Srila Prabhupada had an enormous mission and athough He is certainly perfect he has left some work for his disciples,clarifying certain philosophical points .Just like the origin of the jiva.Does he fall or has he always been in illusion? If you take the GBC voted tattva you will believe that he has fallen and will again return. But that is not the Sampradayas tattva.Jiva G say "cid eka rasanam apyanadi paratattva jnan sansagabav maya.
pada1008 Srila Prabhupada says: "we were all originally in Krishna's lila or sport," and "we became envious of Krishna and fell down." Narayana Maharaja says "no vaishnava would ever say that." Apparently NM is from the Catholic church, he believes the jivas just landed here somehow or other. Problem is that NM's is not truly a Catholic because he mixes up messiahs and pedophiles whereas the church knows the priest is failing, not the messiah. So in the future NM might be advanced enough to be Catholic.
gettuff2 Where is your quote from? Ps. Why do you continue to dig yourself into a hole. He also belongs to Krsna as do you.
pada1008 Srila Prabhupada says we ALL saw Krishna face to face, in a letter; says were ALL in Lila in an Austalian lecture, says everywhere we need to return home BACK to Godhead, not back to NM's brahman and so on an so forth. NM is a mayavadi. Meanwhile NM says pure devotees never fall down, except his pure devotees are homosexuals, pedophiles, monkeys etc! Sridhara says acharyas are sometimes mad criminals. And NM did not allow us into his room, he forgets we are part of Krishna too. Youre correct. Thanks pd

[PADA: This is why I immediately befriended the police who were on beat patrol near Berkeley temple in 1986, so that they know who you are and what you are doing. If you have to call them, the officer on the beat will at least know who is who and what is what.

As for Amogha lila, he should be sued for assaulting you. I think you can sue him in small claims court for $5,000.

And why hasn't anyone of you threatened to expose him as the leader of a child molester messiah cult -- publicly? Why are we taking crap from these people -- at all? Tell him next time he looks at you with anger even, you are going to drive him out of town by exposing his evil roots.

Why are we allowing this type of thing to go on at all is the real question. The answer is that we are being always kind and merciful to these violent and vicious thugs at every step, so they step on us -- over and over and over. And over and over and over ......!

And if there are two of you -- and only one of him -- why didn't you BOTH jump on him UNITED together, that makes combined 300 lbs or more -- with two of you COMBINED, and FOUR arms and two legs to punch and kick together, against his two, you could have combined efforts and OVERWHELMED him and stopped him yourself and defended one another, and given him a bloody nose, not yours getting bloody?

He could not have taken you BOTH together out -- ok if you had acted together, he could only take you out one at a time, so this means it seems you did not counter his assault properly and unite to counter his assault, or so it would seem? If two of you had fought him unitedly, he would have been the one flat on the ground, not you? We have to look out for one another. If I am being attacked, as I was in LA in 1997, where are all the big talking helpers?

We need to help each other, not look on while another of us is attacked. That would have taught him a lesson, as it is now he thinks we are not too diffulcult to attack. This has been the trouble all along, they know they can kick our a**es and we will not counter properly. That is my two cents. You have to ask yourself: why these folks never assault me over there, or even look like they are going to, or act like they are going to, or talk like they are going to? They know WAY better -- they know I'll counter, I won't lay down and take this behavior, that's why. Thanks pd]

BY: Chaitanya Simha dasa

Thursday, May 8, 2008, 0425

Today, Gadadhar and I went to the Hare Krishna Temple, on 2334 Stuart St. Berkeley CA, for morning services or Mangala Arati. It was 04:25, or just 5 minutes before the early morning start of first set of prayers. The main temple doors were closed. We tried to ring a bell for someone to open the door for us. We knocked. For about 3-5 minutes we waited. Gadadhara went around the temple to see if the back doors are open. In the mean time I was waiting at the front. One very nice gentleman devotee, Skanda prabhu, saw me and went to open the door for me. He let me in, and asked me if I could pick a nice rose for the guru puja or the second set of morning prayers. I immediately went out and brought him a nice rose flower. While inside of the lobby of the temple and while getting ready to enter the main tample/worship room, one man named Amogalila came out of the bramachari/priest quarters and started staring at me as if ghostly haunted. It made me a little nervous and wanted to ask him "do you have a problem," but instead I tried to break the ice by greeting him with "Hare Krishna!" He did not reply a word. Without wasting time I immediately left his site, and went to the main temple/worship room to get ready for the prayers. He rushed in all the while staring at me as if he is going to do something. I tried to ignore him by going back to the lobby. At that time, Gadadhara came back to the temple's front doors (while the doors still closed???), waiting... As I was approaching the door, right behind me, rushing in full speed, that man Amogalila, in a very insane/hysterical way, committed assault and battery by aggressively pushing me, and yelling out: "GO OUT…OUT!!" for no reason or legitimate explanation of why am I forced to go.* I opened the temple's door while covering Gadadhara from being pushed/assaulted too. Amogalila was yelling: 'You are not welcomed here! Leave!" Gadadhara could not believe what this fellow was doing, and while just inside the temple's lobby he/himself was pushed/assaulted once by Amogalila. Gadadhara started to call police on his cell phone. Then, all of a sudden, backing off, Amogalila started to shout out on top of his lungs: "HARIBOL…HORIBLOOOOOOO!!!" It sounded like HORRIBLE! At that time, about 5 temple tenants/residents rushed to the lobby.

Police came about 10 minutes later. They asked Gadhadara first, what happened. He said that a man called Amogalila, "who has no authority in the temple," has assaulted him/us out of the temple. After putting us at the distance from Amgalila, and after talking to him, the police said to us that the man Amogalila was implying that he is the 'director,' or/either 'one of the directors'; or/either that he was 'acting on the authority of the director/directors,' or/either 'he was the authority.' All the while, from the distance, Indra dasa was commenting to the police that we are 'nothing here'; nor are we 'part of the temple;' nor even 'members.'

Gadhadar said to the police that he has been coming to and working with the temple for the past 25 years. He also informed the police that presently there is a new board of directors for the temple composed of Bhakta Scott (accountant), himself, Hari Bhasara dasa aka Harrison Lewis, and Rasaraja dasa. The police gave little or no importance to that, and did not even bother to ask other temple members such as Skanda prabhu, mother Madanasini, mother Malati, Hari Basara prabhu, Rajahamsa, Rasaraja, etc etc to confirm if such statements of a man called Indra dasa were true. Also they did not even bother to ask us were we assaulted out of the temple with/without a warning; or, with/without a reason; or, with/without a legitimate explanation. They gave us absolutely no explanation of what were Amogalila's reasons to use 'assault' as his tactic against us either. Was he ordered on the authority of the temple directors to use assault towards us? The police took sides with Amogalila and said to us that we have to leave the temple otherwise the temple will press trespass charges against us. Gadhadar said to the police that 'we are not trespassing here' and that 'he has no grounds to press any charges against us.' The police asked Gadadhar if he wants to press assault charges against Amogalila. Gadadhar said "YES!" The police did not do a thing. Gadadhar asked the police 'are you writing a report?' The police replied 'we are going to write one.'

Although I notified police in the very beginning that 'for no reason I was being assaulted the most by a man called Amogalila,' the police did not ask me a single question! I did try to say something but the police just ignored, or cut me off whenever I tried to speak.

The police report should be ready in about two weeks.

On the last note, the issue is not who are the directors of the Hare Krishna Temple in Berkeley, but the issue is "An Assault", and especially "An Assault for No Reason" against Gadadhar and myself from one man called Amogalila. This is the main reason Gadadhar called the police in the first place and immediately, as the assault was going on.


The police did a very poor job. They did not file 'assault charges' in spite the fact that this was the main reason they were called to duty to protect the rights of the people to worship, and in spite the fact that the police themselves asked Gadadhar if he wants 'to press assault charges?' To which Gadadhar replied with 'YES!'

The 'implied' present authorities of the temple Rasaraja and Rajahamsa while talking to the police addressed the issue, in such a way: '…but why do they have to call police, that is not necessary." Nevertheless, they welcomed us to attend morning services, and did not press any "trespass" charges against us. They did not authorize anybody, especially not a man called Amogalila, to press any trespass charges against us. They did not threaten us, nor did they order us "to leave!" And especially, they did not use the force or an assault to physically remove us from the temple property!
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North American Temple President's Meeting

Sunday afternoon a private meeting of the Temple Presidents was chaired by Kalakantha Prabhu and Trivikrama Swami. Many issues were discussed of relevance to temple leaders: salary questions, temples sharing resources and helping each other out, fund raising by traveling preachers, gurus and sannyasis, the inauguration of a Temple President's web site which would archive all "best practices" for the benefit of present and future TPs. Twenty four temples (out of 50 in America) were represented by 32 persons.

Kuladri showed Caru 13 vinyl banners 6 feet high and 4 feet wide, which tell the story of Prabhupada. Caru bought them for $ 400.00 deeming they will be perfect for the exhibit hall presently under construction in Utah. The existing exhibits on vegetarianism, reincarnation etc., are exactly the same size.

Sunday morning's Bhagavatam class was given by Romapada Swami. The meetings began with a discussion of a Pastoral Abuse policy.

Anuttama encouraged devotees to write for http://iskconnews.com, the great editorializing web site for the movement.

New Vrndavana Accordion Ensemble Reunites for North American Tour April 11th, 2008 NEW VRNDAVANA, WV — The New Vrndavana Accordion Ensemble announced their first tour in decades Monday at a rehearsal in the Guest Lodge as a throng of fans crowded near the legendary Palace of Gold. Five of the original ensemble members led the Sunday feast program with a live performance of its hit "Within Vrndavana's Woods and Groves." The be-robed ensemble officially broke up in 1992, most of the members pursuing solo careers.

The New Vrndavana Accordion Ensemble plans to play temples, prasad halls and some festivals in a North American tour beginning May 9 for New Vrndavana's Festival of Inspiration. Some confirmed cities on the tour include Gita Nagari, Murari-sevaka, New Goloka, New Talavan, New Raman Reti, New Govardhana Hill, New Kusum Sarovara, New Jagannatha Puri, New Dwarka, Saranagati Dham, Bhaktivedanta Cultural Center, and several Festival of India Dates.

During the ensemble's short, but exciting career, they rose to fame not only in America, but also in Japan, signing a two-cassette tape deal with Pony-Cannon Records. A short tour of Japan, starting at the New Gaya Dham court yard, is in the works. If all goes as planned, the triumphant return of one of the most influential Hare Krishna accordion ensembles of the late 80's may also be followed by a new studio album, industry insiders say.

It was originally reported that New Vrndavana's choir, The Krishna Chorale, would also be reuniting to open for the accordion ensemble on tour, but blamed "artistic differences" in their failure to get back together. However, sources close to the Chorale report that "it would be a cold day in Patala-loka before the Krishna Chorale would open for those damn squeeze-boxers." Ticket prices for the North American leg will range from "doing a little seva" to $25. A portion of the tour's proceeds will go to AccordionAid, an anti-poverty organization that provides slightly used accordions to temple residents.

Dear Getuff: Srila Prabhupada says: "we were all originally in Krishna's lila or sport," and "we became envious of Krishna and fell down." Narayana Maharaja says "no vaishnava would ever say that." Apparently NM is from the Catholic church, he believes the jivas just landed here somehow or other. Problem is that NM's is not truly a Catholic because he mixes up messiahs and pedophiles whereas the church knows the priest is failing, not the messiah. So in the future NM might be advanced enough to be Catholic. ys PADA

Taru, he was murdered at New Vrndavana because he thought he could privately meet with them and protest "from within," so they murdered him and buried him. Of course since Sridhara said "none should protest" he made our lives in greatest danger. Whereas I knew that meeting with them in "private meetings" was deadly, so I went outside and protested by handing out leaflets at festivals, going to the police, going to the media, going to the court etc. You cannot meet with a rattlesnake in private, you have to get the snake catcher to help you. thanks pd

Resentment Against Movie "The Love Guru" Broadening Quickly.
Censure of the upcoming Hollywood movie "The Love Guru" over the signals of its denigrating Hindu traditions is mushrooming in both Hindu and non-Hindu circles. Supporting the movement spearheaded by prominent Hindu and Indo-American leader Rajan Zed, various Hindu and non-Hindu organizations and leaders have been coming out expressing concern about the possibility of the film hurting the sentiments of Hindus worldwide and urging filmmakers to be more responsible when handling faith related subjects. Zed has been saying that from the information available about the movie, it appears to be lampooning Hinduism and Hindus and using Hindu terms frivolously.

Swami Pooja Saraswati, a well respected spiritual leader, in a declaration, said, "I watched the trailer for the movie 'Love Guru' and was shocked that any respectable movie producer would so blatantly ridicule a great world religion, a culture, spiritual path and sincere way of life, portraying it as farce." "Hopefully, Paramount Pictures would agree to make changes suggested by Rajan Zed and other Hindu leaders, during the prescreening of this insulting film before millions of Hindus, yogis and people of high spiritual consciousness around the world feel hurt, offended and outraged," she added.

"The Love Guru"; a comedy starring Mike Myers (of Austin Powers fame, who is also the co-writer and co-producer), Jessica Alba, Justin Timberlake, Ben Kingsley; and directed by Marco Schnabel; is set to release on June 20 next. In it Myers, an American, raised in an ashram in India, moves back to US as Guru Pitka to seek fame and fortune in the world of self-help and spirituality. Hinduism, oldest and third largest religion of the world, has about one billion followers. Moksha (liberation) is the ultimate goal of Hinduism.

Vrindavana Widows Film

Widows are second-class citizens in India. They are stigmatized, neglected and seen as a burden to society. But it is time for change. This is the message sent by The Forgotten Woman, the touching documentary by Indian born Canadian director Dilip Mehta, which premiered at the Hot Docs Festival in Toronto on Thursday.

The film follows on the trail of award-winning movie Water (directed by his sister Deepa Mehta) which first brought the plight of Indian widows to international audiences in 2005. But while Water was a fictional story set in the 1930s, The Forgotten Woman is a very real depiction of the life of widows in India today.

This distinction was emphasized by Deepa Mehta at a Q&A following the screening (she is also the executive producer/writer of the documentary). With 45 million widows facing widespread discrimination, poverty and abuse, the issue certainly needs to be addressed. The film focuses primarily on the temple city Vrindavan, where poverty dominates and women come as much for food as for spiritual liberation. Vrindavan is a place of refuge for many West Bengali women who are shunned or abused by their own families following the death of their husbands.

While there are many factors contributing to the plight of Indian widows today, including antiquated traditions and ignorance, the gradual decline of the extended family also shoulders some of the blame. The film takes the viewer on a journey from the rural to the urban, from poor villages to Vrindavan to New Delhi. But it is almost like entering different worlds--the contrast between these women's lives is striking.

The poor women of the slums of Vrindavan, forced to beg for a mouthful of rice, are a far cry from the educated middle class widows of New Delhi. But despite that, they all share the discrimination faced by widows in Indian society.

Hauntingly melancholy music and stunningly beautiful photography (director Dilip Mehta is an award-winning photojournalist) frame the stories of these women and capture both the deep pain and humiliation, but also the strength and dignity of the human spirit living in adversity. It is a testimony to the power of the camerawork that one does not only witness these women's lives, but one almost becomes a part of their lives.

Ultimately the film is about hope. The film introduces the viewer to two women who are actively trying to enact change in the lives of these women. Dr. Mohini Giri has been actively working to provide shelter and support for many of the widows of Vrindavan, while Canadian born Ginny Shrivastava aims to educate and empower women to overcome their dire circumstances through her organization Strong Woman Alone.

Their work shows that through persistence and determination, even deeply embedded prejudice can change. As Dr. Giri reminded the audience at the Hot Docs Festival, real change comes from the community not necessarily from the government. Fundamentally the film is about awareness – after all, only through the power of awareness can one ensure that widows are no longer the forgotten women of India.

Jayadvaita Swami: This year certain things done (and not done) by the GBC body and by some of its members and functionaries have sorely alienated me. I see sustained and determined behavior I look upon as spiritually offensive, philosophically off track, ethically crummy, and pragmatically ill advised. I have therefore chosen to distance myself from the GBC.

I have resigned from the only GBC committee of which I was a member. And though I'm still on the "GBC-BBT Relations Committee" ex officio, I have stopped taking part in it. I skipped the Ratha-yatra festivals in New York and Los Angeles. And this year, for the first time since the "zonal acarya" days, I expect to skip the Mayapur festival.

I respect that the GBC body is the ultimate managing authority for ISKCON, and I wish the body well.

[PADA: Umm, well said, we agree! thanks pd]

Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami
At the beginning of 2006 I had to stay in Philo, California (and hung out with Tripurari swami), because I had many dental appointments. I was undergoing treatment for complete replacement of all of my teeth in surgery and replacement of new dentures. This required traveling from my home to two different dentists three hours away. We had to go see them sometimes twice a week. What with surgery and healing and casting of new teeth, etc., it took months, and I was not able to travel or even eat properly.

Nevertheless, I spent the winter writing and performing my sadhana. My migraine condition has come under control with preventative allopathic medicine, so headaches are now infrequent. With the dental work completed in the spring and with my health strong enough, I ventured to do some traveling. I attended the New Vrndavan Festival of Inspiration. Indeed, it was a great inspiration for me. I was very well received there by all the devotees in a very heartwarming way. In addition to two long question-and-answer sessions, which I held in the temple room, I gave very short talks — one during a session honoring Bhakti-tirtha Swami and one on another occasion. I had private talks with Bhakti-caru Swami, Radhanatha Swami, and Hrdayananda Goswami. I also attended a seminar held by Hrdayananda Goswami.

[PADA: Yep, after having sex with the wife of a follower this bogus messiah is "well received" by ISKCON leaders. ys pd]

RE: Haribol

Haribol Prabhu, I was invited by Haribasara Prabhu and Saragana Thakura das (hes a new devotee who has been doing the accounting for the temple for about a year) to attend a meeting. Amogalila, Haribasara prabhu, Hansadutta, Rajahamsa, Saranga Takura all were there.

When I arrived Amogalila was being questioned as to why he was stealing, and laundering money from the temple. He says it is compensation for his time. Also Saraga prabhu mentioned $100,000 check that was being transfered from one account to another. Anyways, I spoke up and said that there is a conversation in Bombay 1976 were Srila Prabhupada specifically says that no temple president or BBT person should be paid a salary.

Amogalila cut me off, so I firmly told him that I didnt appreciate being cut off while I am speaking and he flipped out on me and yelled "Gadadhara Prabhu you are not an authority who can tell me when I can and can't speak." I told him that he was no authority for anything.

It turns out that this temple has been involved with all sorts of money laundering for years and NOTHING is legal there. There are no legal directors of this temple. The last time anything was legal was 1986. After Amoga left our meeting Haribasara, Saraga , and I created a new board. I went to the mungle artik with Caitanaya Simha prabhu and Amoga assaulted and battered Caitana prabhu and pushed me (also called assault). I called the police and they came. They were very unhelpful. They took no report and just told me and Caitanya that they thought we should just come back later. Rasaraj right now is the only one who is left on their phony board of directors. So he told them that we could stay, but it was up to the police.

I can come back to the temple, but they told something to the police (i am not sure what) and I dont want to risk getting arrested right now. So I am waiting until Sarana and Haribasara prabhus to tell me when the next meeting is.
I hope it all works out. One little midget indian lady asked me "why do you want to come to this temple?" Are all these people crazy?

YourServant,
G das

[PADA: The poisoning (torture and murder) of Srila Prabhupada issue is the root issue from which all the other branches of poison plants sprang up; The poisonous dangerous animals that assassinated devotees; The poisonous perverts who molested and poisoned the children; The poison of the Gaudiya Matha's "let's sit in our guru's seat" sahajiya's club; The poisoning of the good name of ISKCON, poisoning the siddhanta etc. ... it's all grown and flourished from that same poison root. The good news is that this plant is being attacked (and sued!) on all sides and it cannot grow much further.

I have survived to this point simply -- and only -- because I started beating on this evil poison root with old kitchen utensils, nearby paper bags, rocks, twigs, old shoes, whatever I could find nearby and handy. That saved me from getting eaten alive by the ever expaning poison plant growing from the poison root, at least it was not able to gobble me up alive like it has done to so many of our contemporaries -- a good many of whom are dead and gone already -- being devoured by the evil plant and it horrible deadly tentacles.

It is most encouraging that others are seeing this evil root and its malefic by-products as well. Thank you Dear Lord Krishna and Srila Prabhupada, that this evil poison plant was unable to gobble me up wholesale like so many of my associates have been -- thanks ONLY to Your Divine Help! Otherwise, without Your Mercy I'd be dead a long time ago since this poison root plant has had a way of fully devouring any obstacle in its path and pulling down and consuming, or at least fully bewildering, many, many of our great, advanced and strong associates and crushing them like toothpicks. Your Lotus Feet must have somehow dropped a drop of immortal nectar on my head -- and that saved me from imminent death. I am forever greatful to Sri Guru and Sri Krishna, You saved me from that all devouring poison root and its deadly tentacles! Thanking You from the core of my heart, your servant pd]

> Much can be understood from
> closely listening to these persons speaking. Their voices do not
> indicate any notion that they are considering Srila Prabhupada's
> expression to be the ramblings of a senile old man.

Below I'm including two articles, containing Pita Prabhu's remembrances of Srila Prabhupada's departure pastime. The following quote is from the first article: "Although Srila Prabhupada Lotus form was wilted His Divine Graces mind was as sharp as ever or even more so."

Here are some excerpts from the second article:
"...at this point I will tell you Tamal Krishna Goswami showed no real concern or surprise as Bhakti Caru Swami had just expressed and what he said then has stuck in my mind for 22 years now, it was as if he was humouring His Divine Grace he didn't seem to wait for Srila Prabhupada to answer the question he had just asked His Divine Grace."

(...) "He took what Srila Prabhupada had just said very lightly, he looked at us like, it's ok. Tamal Krishna Maharaj did make it seem that Srila Prabhupada was having a difficult time, having some craziness or slipped into some senility for a brief moment. We were then very shortly were asked to leave, as Srila Prabhupada needed to take rest. I did not know what to think?

"Was Srila Prabhupada showing signs of mundane old age? Even as a 3-year devotee I could understand that this was impossible. I am not sure how long it took me to approach Tamal Krishna Goswami about this. It may of been the next day or it may have been after His Divine Graces Maha Samadhi but I went to Srila Prabhupadas room and asked Tamal Krishna Maharaja to come out and speak to me. I can still remember opening the screen doors leading into Srila Prabhupadas room from his garden finding Tamal Krishna Maharaj inside and asking him to come out to speak with me and he did come out and we spoke to the left of the door under the roofed porch there in Srila Prabhupada small garden. I asked him what did Srila Prabhupada mean that someone had given him posion?"

(...) "At this point I must have given Tamal Krishna Maharaj a look of disbelief and the look he gave me was very clear, it was a very intimidating look and also a pleading look, don't take it the wrong way, can you understand the repercussions? And I could. (One has to have worked with Tamal Goswami Maharaj to understand this, those who know him know, what I mean)"

(...) "After Srila Prabhupadas departure I worked closely with Tamal Krishna Goswami for 7 years. I have had numerous occasions to speak with him on this but I have hid it deep and denied that it could of only of been as he had said as the crime even today is impossible for me to ever contemplate."

(...) "I beg you our leading godborthers to seriously get to the bottom have why the tapes of Srila Prabhupadas last days have been taken away hidden or destroyed. " Alex

[PADA: The good news is that some priests (or ex-priests) are just as bad as the ISKCON gurus. The bad news is that while the priests are fallen -- they are at least not saying that the messiahs are engaged in these actions like the bogus GBC gurus. The best news is that we only need to be as advanced as a dominatrix named sexfairy to know that this is all bogus. thanks pd]

Radio host Bernie Ward admits he e-mailed child porn to woman known as 'Sexfairy' Former radio talk show host Bernie Ward offered a guilty plea in federal court in San Francisco today to one count of sending child pornography over the Internet in December 2004. Ward, 57, a former host on KGO radio in San Francisco, admitted to the charge during a hearing before U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker. He told the judge he sent pornography containing sexually explicit pictures of minors by e-mail.

Ward, a former Catholic priest and teacher, lives in San Francisco, is married and has four children. He worked in radio for about 20 years and most recently hosted a night show Monday through Friday and a Sunday morning show called 'Godtalk' on KGO. The pornography came to light when a woman in Oakdale in Stanislaus County who had been exchanging sexual messages with Ward under the name of 'Sexfairy' alerted police that Ward had sent her an image of child pornography on Dec. 23, 2004, according to Oakdale police reports. She gave police a copy of the picture and e-mail messages and the case was eventually referred to the FBI, the reports said.

[PADA: This is good, the ex-gurukulis are speaking up more and more about "the big leaders" of ISKCON. Bravo! thanks pd]

My Memories of Bhurijan & 'His Art of Teaching' BY: GURUKULA ALUMNI

I am grateful to the devotees who have been revealing the true history and nature of Bhurijan. How many devotees know who he really is and what he has done over the years? It seems that everyone thinks that he is this nice sincere soul that has never even hurt a fly. But there are many of us who know better. Over the years we have remained quiet, but that was in the days when it was seen as a sin to reveal the sinner. But now it seems that we have a voice and a voice that is not too meek to be heard. Heard, but not listened to.

Bhurijan was a teacher in the Gita-nagari Gurukula from 1976 and this is where he displayed his emotionally abusive teaching techniques on us kids. This is also where he gathered his 'experience' as a teacher that allegedly qualified him to write "The Art of Teaching."

I am not sure how many of the readers have been in the situation where you are in a boarding school and you are only nine years old? Nine is when you are not quite a little kid and not quite an adolescent. It is a time for rapid emotional and social growth and development and so it is a very impressionable period in a child's life. If you can remember what is was like when you were a pre-adolescent then you can relate to what we were feeling and how scared we were when things got out of control. Not with us, that is, with the teachers.

One day we were all called to the room by Bhurijan who was so angry that spittle was flying from his mouth with rage, because on the shower room floor was some stool. Bhurijan, an emotionally manipulative abuser was ranting and raving as he threatened to "discipline" the culprit with his "stick" and that none of us could leave until the culprit was revealed.

As you could imagine we were all freaked out as we watched him rant and rave about beating one of us, for what seemed like an eternity. The kid who did it was probably too scared to own up to it, especially since Bhurijan was so angry. No one wants to be beaten by someone who was so out of control. Especially not a terrified nine year old!

Then after what seemed like an eternity, a NINE years old boy (the son of Amekhala and Manihara) spoke up. He took the blame and he didn't even do it!!! I have no idea where you got the courage to take the blame but somehow you did, thanks for ending that horrific episode for us all!

The idea that a teacher (Bhurijan) could employ methods of punishing the children (beating them with a stick) for telling the truth is immoral and discouraged honesty and morality. This was not a constructive approach to developing a child's values. It was a rather OXYMORONIC idea.

Now as the years go by, I have seen Bhurijan grow in fame and position as we have faded into the background. I have even attended some of his lectures. There is no way that anyone can tell me that he has changed. For one, he still tries very hard to speak like he is reading a kid a bedtime story when he gives his classes. But we know what lies below that façade and it is definitely not humility and peace!

For too long we are being fooled by these people who masquerade as devotees but are really wolves in the dress of a sheep. To have these so-called devotees removed from positions is no big thing and they would not really make much of a difference to our movement. To be free of their shackles will only free us. How can we be a dignified society with such cheaters as our leaders? It is impossible. Our leaders must be devotees of high character and integrity and not criminals and users, like most of them are. It is time we shook them loose from their stranglehold on our movement!

I sincerely pray that all the devotees who are reading our letters please do something. Speak up for us. I for one will be so happy and relieved if so-called devotees like Bhurijan, Braja Bihari, Gauri and this Tamohara are removed and named for the traitors and rascals that they really are.

Maybe if Pragosh das, the Editor of Dandavats, looked into the real history of Bhurijan he would not be so quick to publish Bhurijan's "sweet 'n simple" essays on his website. We have all noticed how Bhurijan is writing more frequently in an attempt to say: 'all is well. I am still so very advanced.' He is thinking that he can distance himself from the Gauri fiasco, but he will never be able to.

Yes, this was occuring all at the same time. Hansadutta had been arrested for having a machine gun in his car, his farm was raided by Federal Marshalls, and his photo was in all the US newspapers "Maching Gun Swami." He was taking drugs himself. At the same time Jayatirtha was caught giving drugs to his followers and having an affair. At the same time Ramesvara's group was busted for drug dealing and there were rumors Ramesvara was sitting his school's girls on his lap all day long. At the same time some of Kirtanananda's group was caught and arrested for drug dealing. At the same time Tamal was suspended by the GBC for saying he was the best guru out of all the gurus. At the same time child molestation was being suggested at Mayapura. At the same time the US courts declared that ISKCON was a charity fraud by selling rock and roll records as "samkirtana." At the same time a dissenter was murdered in New Vrndavana (he disappeared). At this time Sridhara and SDG made a tape saying -- that we need to support the gurus, and this tape was sent all over ISKCON. At the same time they wrote their Mahajanas paper saying that even the mahajans fall down, trying to rationalize their "guru failures." Yes, this was all coming down the road at the same time and Sridhara was propping them up the whole while. Yes, thanks pd

http://www.wtov9.com/news/16187021/detail.html

Thanks NNV. You were the main person who forwarded the Direction Of Management document and this has helped make a legal basis for challenging the bogus leaders. I was pushing more for the criminal fraud challenge, but both aspects are needed to make a complete case and I think the LI case does exactly that.

Shaksi certainly helped put together the poison issue better than anyone else has done, so we need to combine our talents for better outcome. We simply cannot allow the murder of our master to go by without some sort of protest. I listened to the poison tapes a thousand times over and over, and I know he was poisoned, I am not in the process of studying the issue. That is why I went out publicly with a sign at 1997 Rathayatra "I am being poisoned."

And you are also right that ISKCON reflects the current society an/or vice versa, namely the Pope has been confronted by molesting victims public protests and the polygamy cult has had its children taken away and so on. All of this is in the news today and seems to have been a sort of similar problem we had in ISKCON. This is also why I did not agree with the polygamy in ISKCON proprosal, it will backfire and create worse public image.

For what its worth I agree that Tamohara prabhu, or anyone else who is capable, should go to LI and help them with the case. Yes, we should legally attack the bad guys now since you are also right, in the near future devotees will be more and more struggling with basics like: rising price of heating, gas, food and many of our devotees are already barely able to get by as it is, what with the economy in the tank etc., so later on they will not have the extra time or resources to launch an attack on the bogus leaders. The time is now, agreed.

I think that once we get this LI case rolling then other cases could be launched using the model of LI, and if we cannot get the whole thing all at once this will be a good precedent case for maybe other cases and even taking over the London manor or other places in Europe, India etc. Lets hope to bag the rhinocerous but if we capture only a house cat, that is better than not trying at all. ys pd

Dear PADA: This article confirms to me the malicious nature of the plunderers in the GBC.Some months ago Praghosa prabhu posted an article on the Sampradaya Sun entitled ''Simple Matter'' where he described how Romapada Swami (the GBC) had spent around $500,000 to pay for the lawyers in their litigation with the Long Island temple.

[PADA: The GBC paid hundreds of thousands on lawyers to counter Turley, hundreds of thousands to sue us over the BBT rights, hundreds of thousands of rupees harassing Bangalore, and they have in sum spent millions on "legal actions" because as one devotee says, they GBC is very upset when their lawyer's Mercedes is six months old, they have to buy him a new Mercedes so he can go out and buy some beef steaks.

Oddly Krishna Kanta and Yaduraja said they would ONLY acccept the poison issue if -- we got a lawyer to prove it was a valid case. In sum, many devotees are "surrendered to lawyers" and not to Krishna.]

* Praghosa wrote that with that money and the $300,000 spent by the Long Island temple in their defense it could be published around 3,000,000 small books such as as The Perfection of Yoga. I remember that soon after that article was published I commented to Rasala over the phone how sinful it is that this GBC squandered that money uselessly when with that money you could buy around 500 cows or even more and save them from slaughter.

Of course,they don't have even the purified intelligence to even think about that, on the contrary, they are ready to evict the devotees fron the Costa Rica farm and the ten cows that also live there.

In short, no protection for the devotees, no protection for the cows. Their false disciplic succession only bears the fruit of love of money, envy and malice and we cannot expect anything auspicious from this poisonous fruit.

Now I remember that Rocana NEVER commented anything about the GBC wasting this huge amount of money.Where's the intelligence of Rocana?

Does this GBC represent Rama or Ravana?

your servant ************** dasa

Pratyatosa Prabhu,
Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Sorry for the late comment. I think your ideas on preserving and propagating Srila Prabhupada's vani are first class anyabhilasita sunyam. But it is extremely saddening to hear the reaction from Archives.

As you may probably know, we at ISKCON, Inc. in Long Island are engaged in a 4 year old litigation for control of ISKCON, Inc. which is the only beneficiary of BBT. Archives is a subsidiary of BBT. All (or most) of the material below is copyrighted by the BBT. According to the trust deed made by Srila Prabhupada in 1972, BBT "is created and shall be operated exclusively for the benefit of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, Incorporated by me",....which is the corporation that owns the temple in Long Island. The Prabhupadanugas are the trustees of this corporation and also run the temple. The "GBC" has been trying to displace us from here for the last 4 years for this reason. They have failed miserably till now and by Krishna's grace will do so again and again however much they try.

As the sole beneficiary of BBT, we at ISKCON, Inc., have the right to stop or even order the trustees to discontinue/change their instructions to the Archives or any BBT functioning for the matter. If they do not do so, they themselves can be changed or removed by the help of the court. These are the Probate laws of California governing a trust.

BBT needs to function "exclusively for the benefit of" ISKCON, Inc". Proper original books of Srila Prabhupada only to print, BTG print in the way Srila Prabhupada designed it for, Archives preserving and making Srila Prabhupada's vani available as widely as possible, these and many other functioning of the BBT needs to be set right.

As part of the process to set things right, we wrote a statutory letter to the BBT Trustees about 2 years back to show their accounts and report the functioning of the BBT. They characteristically refused. Since then, we have been gradually gathering the evidences, finances, and legal team together to force these issues with the BBT Trustees. We did not want to start and then soon stop which would have been the result of improper planning. I am happy to report to you and to the assembled Vaisnavas that things are moving in the right direction. We have retained one of the best lawyer firms of Los Angeles for that purpose. Actually the Britney Spears conservatorship case slowed them down as they are the lawyers representing her father.

They have taken their time to though roughly go thru the many evidences that we have been able to unearth, and are gradually putting it all together. Last probably decades of misinformation and web of deceit takes time to clear. They have many look alikes to deal with. BBT and BBTI/BBP; GBC and GBC Society of West Bengal, ISKCON, Inc. and ISKCON of California, Inc. etc........But slowly but surely the initial proceeding is coming near.

Prabhu, the topic of preservation and wide distribution of Srila Prabhupada's vani is of utmost importance. As is distribution of Srila Prabhupada's original books with the simultaneous stopping in publishing of non-original books. BBT should again become the fine tuned instrument of Srila Prabhupada, the heart of Srila Prabupada, that Srila Prabhupada has designed it for.

Apart from the BBT, the litigation in LI has also opened up many other important historical facts of ISKCON to legal discovery. As part of our counter complaint against the "GBC", filed in April 2007, we want to gather evidences of the conspiracy of some members of the original GBC to plan and steal the assets of ISKCON, including temples , disciples, funds, BBT etc. Our discovery requests cover the Guru issue, poison issue, DOM, BBT, selling of ISKCON properties etc. This is on going currently.

Last week the "GBC" gave some more documents that we had asked for. Soon, we need to prepare and take depositions of many "GBC" members including Jayapataka Swami, Badri, Romapada, Bhati Caru, Hrdayananda, many old timers etc.

It is a chance not only to build our case but also it can set the history of ISKCON right.

I would like to work with you and any serious devotee. If you or any other devotee wish to contribute their services, please let us know. I will be happy to reply to any inquires unless confidential.

First thing we need to do is to update the current filings and findings on http://www.iskcontoday.org so that all devotees can be included in these relevant proceedings. Second is to prepare for the depositions of the "GBC" members. Both of these require concentrated effort and time.


your servant,
Nimai Pandit Das

I read an article by Madhudvisa Prabhu today. I like the effect that it had on me. He presents many interesting quotes from Srila Prabhupada. In between the quotes he offers his perspective on the history of the ISKCON organization.

The following excerpts by Madhudvisa Prabhu I find validating and interesting:

"So these devotees serving Srila Prabhupada’s ’successors’ found, even thought they were sincerely following the process of Krishna consciousness to their best ability, their material desires were increasing rather than decreasing.. . For that is the result of serving someone who has material desires..."

(...)

"So it was very difficult. Most devotees blamed themselves for their inability to follow the process and principles and gradually fell down from the regulative principles and left the movement disappointed, frustrated and bewildered, not really understanding what went wrong at all."

(...)

"Gradually it became so obvious the ’Zonal Acaryas’ were not qualified and the whole system collapsed. The ’solution,’ dreamt up by an ISKCON sannyasi and a disciple of one of Srila Prabhupada’s godbrothers, was to invent a new type of ’guru.’ They conceived of a ’guru’ who would be under the jurisdiction of the GBC, who was not absolute, who could break the regulative principles, yet still remain a ’bona fide ISKCON guru’, who didn’t really have to chant 16 rounds even or get out of bed for Mangala Aroti, who didn’t have to exhibit any of the symptoms of a guru clearly mentioned in Srila Prabhupada’s books, and above all ISKCON would no longer take any responsibility at all for any of these ’gurus’. There was to be no guarantee to devotees at all that these ’bona fide ISKCON gurus’ were even devotees in good standing!! Let the buyer beware! This is the current ISKCON guru system... At least as far as we can understand.. ."

(...)

"The GBC publish the findings of their appraisals informing us that many of their ’Gurus’ and GBC’s are not even able to come up to the basic standard that was expected of a new bhakta who wanted to live in a temple in Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence."

(...)

"Anyhow we have all seen what the current watered-down unauthorized ’Non-Liberated Guru System’ has done to ISKCON. I can’t bring myself to describe it."

(...)

"Just look at what Srila Prabhupada did from 1966-1977, eleven years, and compare his one-man effort to the results of his ’successors’ preaching from 1977-1998 [almost] 22 years. They’ve had twice as long and there are 100+ of them compared to just one Prabhupada! Have they done 100 times as much as Srila Prabhupada? Even combined together have they done as much as Srila Prabhupada? NO NO NO... They have UNDONE almost all the good work done by Srila Prabhupada! (...) Also they train all the devotees to become offensive toward anyone who wants to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada!"

(...)

"So, in summary, since 1977 ISKCON has forced new devotees to give up their relationship with Srila Prabhupada, to stop worshiping Srila Prabhupada [or at least to meditate on their own ’Guru’ instead of Srila Prabhupada while apparently worshiping Srila Prabhupada!] , to stop offering bhoga to Srila Prabhupada, to stop chanting Srila Prabhupada’s pranam mantras, and INSTEAD to take initiation and OFFER EVERYTHING to the institutionalised ’ISKCON LIVING GURUS’ who ISKCON quite openly admit are generally not pure devotees at all."

I also liked the following quotes from Srila Prabhupada that Madhudvisa Prabhu includes in his article:

"So there is no magic. So this is the secret, that if you want to become guru honestly... If you want to cheat, that is another thing. There are so many cheaters. People also want to be cheated." (750715AR.SF)

(...)

"Brahmaji, as a disciple of the Supreme Lord, received the real knowledge and imparted it to his dear disciple Narada, and similarly Narada, as spiritual master, handed over this knowledge to Vyasa and so on. THEREFORE THE SO-CALLED FORMAL SPIRITUAL MASTER AND DISCIPLE ARE NOT FACSIMILES OF BRAHMA AND NARADA OR NARADA AND VYASA. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BRAHMA AND NARADA IS REALITY, WHILE THE SO-CALLED FORMALITY IS THE RELATION BETWEEN THE CHEATER AND CHEATED." (SB 2.9.43) [emphasis added by Madhudvisa Prabhu]

At least some of us are giving Srila Prabhupada and Krishna a good name! No wonder the bogus gurus are legally suing these Bangalore devotees to STOP the distribution of prasad, since they hate it when children are getting fed -- after they starved the ISKCON children. And Narayana Mahararaja went to Bangalore recently and he reportedly said the ritviks there are bogus too, because he also supported the "starving the ISKCON children" regime. Thanks to God not all people are following these deviants, and at least some of us devotees are fighting to give Krishna a good name! Bravo! thanks pd